Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Life Before Arrest

Melissa Hack has spent time in the Nevada Department of Corrections. Her charges were drug trafficking and she received 2 to 15 years. She served 4 and was released on parole. Not long after she was released she was again sent to prison when her parole was revoked. It is believed she helped in planning a skinhead rally and attended. There was enough evidence that her parole was revoked and she was sent back to prison and her brother arrested on passport fraud.

After being released from prison she was arrested again for lying to the FBI. During her wait for trial on her lying to the FBI she became pregnant and gave birth. According to news articles she became upset when her attorney told the court she had recently given birth, but I wonder where those tears were when Lin's son was left without a father because of her actions.

Melissa was the girlfriend of John Butler in July 1998 when Dan Shersty and Lin Newborn were lured out to the desert and ambushed by a group of people. Arrested for the murders to date, John Butler, Melissa Hack, Ross Hack, and Leland Jones. From the media release from the FBI there are some that haven't been named.

Melissa Hack is thought to be one of the girls that set up a date with Lin Newborn and Daniel Shersty for a party and then took them to the location where she knew her brother, ex boyfriend, Leland Jones, and others were waiting for them. It is believed that she knew that they were going to open fire on the two men and she watched as they both died.

Ross Hack, after the murders, left the country and spent some years over seas to prevent an investigation into his participation into the murders. Upon his return, it's believed that he and his sister, Melissa Hack, planned a skinhead concert called Unity Fest where another man was attacked. That was the same rally that revoked Melissa Hack's parole and sent her back to prison.

Ross, after the rally, was arrested and charged with passport fraud and sent to federal prison for three years. He was on the verge of being released when indictments stopped that from happening.

John Butler was arrested not long after the murders and received death. That was later overturned and he was given life without parole. He is serving his sentence at High Desert State Prison in Indian Springs, Nevada.

Leland Jones has never been arrested until his arrest for the murders. According to the media release from the FBI Leland was only 17 years old at the time of the murders. The death penalty can't be sought in his trial.

All three that are arrested to date could face life in prison and Ross and Melissa Hack could face death in their part in the horrible murders.

More News Articles on Melissa Hack and her life of crime:

Former girlfriend of convicted skinhead still on mind of FBI

October 2001 



Melissa Hack



Ross Hack

52 comments:

  1. Funny you post that MELISSA is supposedly the planner of a concert actually they alledge sonebody else was cannot wait to sue you for defamation of character.

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    1. On or about February 7, 2008, Melissa Hack, Defendant's sister, was detained by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department officer and transported to the Investigative Services Division for an interview. Kelly Decl. ¶ 4. Melissa Hack was on parole. Deuel Decl. ¶ 4. Among the conditions of her parole were prohibitions on drinking alcohol, entering any bar or lounge for any purpose except employment, contact or association with gang members, and possession of gang paraphernalia. Opp., Ex. B; Merrick Decl. ¶ 4. Law enforcement officers interrogated her regarding a bar fight that allegedly occurred on January 26, 2008 at a white supremacist concert dubbed "Unity Fest." Law enforcement believed that concert was coordinated by Ross and Melissa Hack. Kelly Decl. ¶

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  2. Yeah no crap anonymous whoever this is posting this stuff obviously does not realize in this country INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY which will not happen because she did not have anything to do with this!

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    1. And now you respond to yourself with this post? I had to laugh out loud. "Yeah no crap anonymous" HAHAHA! You're the only Anonymous posting Idiot!

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  3. Whoever posted this i want to ask you to take this down or legal action will be sought this is unfair to anybody to have the finger of guilt pointed at them when all of the charges.are merely an accusation until proven guilty. So to avoid any wasted time i will please ask you again to remove this webpage. Thank you for your time

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  4. I'm not taking anything down. If you don't like it, don't read it and move on. Who are you trying to intimidate anyway? Sue me.

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  5. You are amazing you sit here and post all of this stuff about people but keep your profile secret huh? Give me your email, name, and contact info so i can send over some court papers. If you do not then i will still find out your info and will be easier for me to convince a judge because of your evading tactics. So once again make this easier on yourself and get rid of this site full of lies. Also dont write about melissas kid why would she need to feel bad for anybody elses kid when she DID NOT DO ANYTHING

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    1. I like things to be hard for me. Please, by all means, do what you feel is necessary. You don't come and demand anything from me. You're not scaring me and I could care less what you think or what you think you can do. You're posting Anonymous and you have the nerve to ask me for something? HAHAHA! I like guessing games, and you're right in the middle of one now. Now you run along and get yourself an attorney and see if you can get a page down that has done nothing but stated what is public record.

      I can talk about anything I want and if I want to ask about her fake tears about a child she could care less about and probably only had for selfish reason, I will speak about the child. You're not my spouse, mother, or father. You don't tell me what to do.

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  6. So basically because the cops say she supposedly did it then that means she did???? Well you are bright lets see here so then i can find out who you are go and do something then.tell the cops you did it too then hey guess what your screwed sound about right? Get some actual facts not your "opinion" number one and facts i mean actually know dont copy and paste a section of the court document from r hacks passport case file moron

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  7. What better place to get something that is fact than from an actual court document? Hummm...

    If she didn't do anything, why was she sent back to prison on parole violation? Oh, because everyone is picking on Melissa? I don't think so. She was there at the Unity Fest Concert or she wouldn't have been arrested and sent back to prison. You keep believing her lies, and story telling tactics and I will rely on what's really known - She helped kill two men.

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  8. By the way too if all you have is all of this b.s. she already served her time for then you are a true scumbag sad when people get out after making crappy mistakes in life they get it thrown back in their face left and right and no melissa does not have a meth problem, she is a wonderful mother and person, and she did not help getting these two killed that is impossible for many reasons. So keep pointing the finger of guilt when she hasnt even gone to trial yet, which shows how idiotic you are to say the things you do when nothing has been proven i know what kind of person melissa is you do not, she has had some hard times and made some bad decisions but murder you obviously do not know her at all if you think that she helped kill people, so keep posting your lies and bullcrap attached to your opinion of what you think happened, especially about her kid who is now away from his mother which is sad, but he has a good father raising him until his mother comes home, which she will be and then after that well that will be shown at a later time, and so what if she was at a concert does not mean she is guilty of anything else. Thats all they are going to do is show all of this and try to say well if she did this then she must of done that, what a joke. So thats it post your lies hope it helps you sleep better at night i know when im done i will have a big smile on my face and you will look back and wish you just took it off the net, not a threat either just posting public fact:)

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  9. She had her child for a selfish reason?? Haha that is hilarious, what might that reason be? How stupid are you?

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  10. And uh if she lied to the fbi which she did not, i know the "friend" also that gave her a ride to the meet and he told me the feds "told" him to say what he did or else he would lose his kid! Wow that sounds legal huh? So if they had her nailed on that why did they dismiss it so fast? That was what her attorney says it was, and the same as this is as well

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  11. Melissa was charged with 1 count of lying to the FBI in October 2010. The case was dropped WITHOUT prejudice (which means they can bring the charges back) on March 7, 2012. She was arrested for murder in February 2012.

    I don't think dropping charges a year and half later is fast at all. They had already charged her with many more counts of MURDER, AIDING AND ABETTING, and WEAPONS CHARGES. I don't think, or feel, the United States cares about something she could get probation for. I bet the US feels MURDER is a much better charge to go after.

    Melissa sure has had a bad run with the law. She got caught with Clark and she is innocent, She got caught with John Butler, and she is innocent, she lied to the FBI and she is innocent, and now she is innocent of two murders. I don't think so and you keep thinking she is, I don't care. My gut, my heart, and most of all my knowledge tells me she is as guilty as anyone else arrested to date.

    And to comment on your question as to why Melissa is a selfish person, she helped lure two men out to the desert to be shot and killed. She knew this in her heart and she had a baby knowing this dark shadow was hanging over her head. That, to me, is selfish. She should have never gave birth to a baby she knew she one day may never get to take care of a way a mother should care for their child. She was on trial already for lying, now she is charged with murder, to me all that equals selfish person. Now her child has to live with the fact that not only is his Uncle Ross Hack going to prison for murder, but his mother, Melissa Hack, too, and the same murders at that. If his father is with Melissa Hack, I have to wonder about his common sense, too. That puts into question if that child is in the hands of the right people at all, in my opinion.

    How stupid are you? You claim you are going to get my info and sue me over a site that has nothing to do with you. I'm sure this isn't Melissa, Ross, or Leland on here saying stupid ass crap on my comment section but yet you're going to sue me. I don't know many inmates that have access to the internet to plead for their innocence on a blog site. However, I look forward to your law suit.

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  12. Its not melissa, ross, or leland.... The father of her child is a very good person as is melissa and if she got caught with butler this would have been handled long ago she was said to have been involved by who?? Scumbags joey justin and butler?? Wow they are credible good luck with that, and a testimony of a bartender that supposedly puts melissa around there is not credible anymore after all of her backtracking bull so as far as melissa being a inmate that wont be the case much longer you can bet on that, also the feds and that sorry prosecutor bliss admitted to having NO CASE at all on the lying so that is why they dropped it all this case is, is a reconstructed version of blame with no new evidence and i cannot wait to watch it crumble in everybodys face stay tuned also you dont have to be the person being written about to take legal action seems how you "know" so much look that one up and your gut heart or whatever is wrong you have only looked at what they want you to see not everything you have a biased opinion

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  13. Blah, blah, blah! Melissa didn't do this, Melissa didn't do that and everything is just a lie. Everyone has it out for Melissa and she is just an innocent victim in all this. After 14 years, and even being considered a suspect in 1998 when it happened, she is finally arrested and she didn't have a thing to do with it.

    The ATV riders didn't have to identify Melissa. Her mother did that for her and her father put Melissa with John, too. As for the bartender, I'll give you that one. She was wrong in her identification of one of the girls, but Melissa was at the bar, just not how the bartender thought she was.

    I look at the facts of the case, my opinion is she is as guilty as guilty can come. I just wish they had the evidence to arrest her 14 years ago, then her poor child wouldn't have to live with the fact part of his family are murderers, sadly, including his own mother.

    Now, as far as you suing me, I have a right as a US Citizen to post my opinion anywhere I see fit. Melissa, Ross, and Leland were arrested for murder. If I want to believe they are guilty before trial that's my right as a person. You, no court, or anyone else can tell me what I can and can not say. I haven't post, written or said anything that isn't public record when it comes to her convictions and troubles with the law. You claim to know so much about the law, then you should know my right to freedom of speech can't be trampled on because you don't like what's being written or said. Go get your information, get a judge to sign an order to take the site down, I'm ready, willing and laughing all the way to your imaginary court for the imaginary law suit you are going to file.

    The website has been up for a little while, it's Wednesday and I still haven't received any papers requiring me to respond. Oh wait, were they served by an imaginary process server? If so, I don't live in the land of imaginary, so please, use a real person in real life to serve me. Thanks in advance.

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  14. The great thing about this Country Of Ours that we call AMERICA is the politicians have provided so many loopholes into trampling all sorts of rights if you do not know that then you my friend are ignorant. Just to let you know you have posted SOME public info like the mug shot and charges and so forth but your comments of opinion attached to your body of your "facts" are libelous, and defaming. So i will not argue with you, you act like you are 12 with your blah blah blah nonsense, and do not worry you will receive papers in due time from a real judge who sits on a bench in a real court, one thing you should remember seems how you want to preach about your rights so much YOU SHOULD REMEMBER THE GOLDEN RUlE: INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. As far as melissas mother goes she was just going off of what was told to her by what is now a convicted murderer, never did Melissa say she was out there because she was not she straightened that out real quick with her mom im sure, also her father put melissa at his home where she was FOR A FACT.. You have your opinion which is biased and wrong i have mine enjoy your website as long as you can. One other thing you need to have more to do in life then write horrible things about people so quit eating mcdonalds daily and sitting on your computer hoping to make friends im sure your fingers hurt by now.

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  15. MY WEBSITE is my place to post my opinions! If you don't like the opinions I want to post then by all means stay away. I am in no way making you come here and read what I write and I am by no means asking you to keep coming back. You are so stupid that you think I am so worried about you suing me. I DON'T CARE!! How much more clear can I make that?

    She, IN MY OPINION, is a cold blooded murderer. I HAVE A RIGHT to say that if I see fit, choose to, or anything else. I can type it, write it, sing it, scream it, or anyway I choose fit. I can and I will continue to have my opinion, and if by chance, which will NOT happen, she gets off, I will still say she is GUILTY and got away with two counts of first degree murder. Now that, you ignorant fool, is what I think about your law suit, from a real judge that sits on a real bench!

    I SAY FUCK YOU, MELISSA, ROSS HACK, and LELAND JONES!!! I hope they rot in jail for the rest of their miserable lives. I hope they never see the light of day again. I hope that the courts see fit that she can have no contact with her child and I hopes she dies before she walks out a free person again from old age. Make sure and add ALL that to your law suit!!! The one thing, you idiot, that the politicians haven't been able to curb, is the right to free speech, freedom to have opinions, and such. That's why I live in a free country and not in a communist one that you seem to think that we do.

    Why don't you shut the hell up, get your papers filed, and serve me? Your threats are really kindergarten tactics. I don't do well with idle threats, if you want to prove to me you're right, then get busy idiot and send me those papers.

    MELISSA HACK
    ROSS HACK
    LELAND JONES

    ALL THREE ARE GUILTY OF MURDER! GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!!!

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  16. I say go ahead and forget about the GOLDEN RULE in this case and put them in a dark room and throw away the key!! Melissa Hack, Ross Hack, and Leland Jones are all guilty of murder. GUILTY!! Am I giving you enough for your complaint? If not let me know and I will keep going. I hate ignorance and you are the valedictorian of Idiot University!

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    1. Mr. Anonymous - Have you found a lawyer yet? No, I didn't think so. And you won't either. Because no lawyer is going to take a case in which you want to sue someone based on nothing. In other words, the owner of the website has the right to his/her opinion, and also has the right to disseminate public documents on his/her website. Now, you can always find a crappy lawyer like Bryson, and if you pay him enough, he will file the lawsuit for you. You can't win it, but that is another story. Now, stop crying about lawsuits. It is never going to happen. It is time you face reality.

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  17. Well i am ANOTHER ANONYMOUS POSTER and actually yeah you can be sued not that this person cares about winning probably will be happy to waste your time though but hey probably would say the same its obvious whoever that is must be really close to ms hack, and if i were in that persons shoes i would be mad too to see this too, but doesnt really matter this isnt the truth anyways i mean the real truth nobody posting on the internet is going to know squat about what is really happening probably why he or she isnt arguing with you two anymore, one thing though just stumbling across this stuff whoever is posting this stuff has zero respect and i bet you feel kind of stupid now seeing many can post anonymously........cheers!!

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  18. You know what's funnier than YOU trying to say that you're going to sue me? Trying to make it look like you are some other person. See, I run this website, I can see who comes to this site, what device they are using, and the web browsers they use. I can tell you what time you have been here and so forth. Every time you look at the site, I KNOW IT! Stop trying to act like you're someone else when I can tell you exactly who you are. YOU'RE NOT THAT ANONYMOUS!!

    I'm still waiting for those papers! Why not do that instead of trying to convince someone you're not who you are. BTW, I don't give a tiny rats ass how close you are to Melissa Hack. If you're that close, then you must be trash like she is IN MY OPINION!! Now go work on your fictitious law degree, raise yours and Melissa baby (because she want be there to help you) and get the hell off my site!!

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  19. why does it take so long if they know ?

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  20. I have learned that the wheels of justice turn very slow. After 14 years you would think they would be flying.

    There are three people possibly going to trial on murder charges. They have to get their cases in order and all evidence for both sides. Sadly, all of this takes time. It's not unusual for a murder cases to take this long when you have one as complex as this one. You have two people that could be facing the death penalty, another one that looking at life, and all three, from the documents I read, going to trial together.

    I actually foresee the November 1, 2013 date changing in the future. Anything can happen. Pleas could be taken, extensions from the court could be ordered, anything could come along and postpone it.

    I wish it were tomorrow, but in order to get true justice, we sadly have to wait until the lawyers for the murderers are ready, the prosecution, and the courts to actually see justice, finally, in this case.

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    1. we live in europe and we do not have the deathpanelty, but fot some cases like norway with the killing of kids or these i do believe in it

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    1. i believe everybody has the chance to defend himself, so we will see what they bring to defend themselfe, i just think, if iam not guilty i could proof it overnight and do not need over a jear, so if there innocent they should go free and should be reimburst, but if guilty for a crime like that , they should be put down like sick dogs, sorry for my english, iam from norway, but thats my feeling,

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  22. Oh they are as guilty as their names are Ross Hack, Melissa Hack, and Leland Jones. This isn't an injustice as someone wants you to believe. This is justice delayed 14 years and it's about time it happened. They have the right people and they are going to go down "like the sick dogs" they are.

    Don't worry about your English Franziskaner this is the internet not an English class with spelling test (LOL) and no one really cares unless they are on attack and have nothing else to add to to conversation. Usually, it's the defenders of the murderers.

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  23. its interresting that ross hack, wrote a book about his wife who was a russian swimmer and got abuesed. he points the finger at others, but he does much worse, the books name, a swim story.there you think he comes out of a edjucatet family, the father a pharmacist, he talks three languages they should be smarter as beeing so hatefull. at least they can not say they come out of a bad home like so many use as an excuse

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  24. I wouldn't read that book for all the money in the world. I feel sorry for the mother of his child and knowing she will be connected to this low life for the rest of his life. God help all the kids born to these three. The life they now have to face is something no child should have to live with. You have to seriously wonder about a family that KNOWS their two kids committed murder and continues to lie, cover up, and even went so far as sending them away right afterwards. They were cowards when they killed two men and still cowards today.

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  25. well thats what i been thinking, these poor kids, i wonder if melissa hack knew she will be in jail before she gave birth, and allone for that she should be punished, to leafe a baby in purpuse without a mother, or did she really think, the law will let her go on murder, i dont get it, but i like your site, very good info thank you

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  26. I actually think Melissa thought she got away with murder. I think all not arrested when they got Butler did. They thought the case wasn't ever going to catch up with them. In the meantime they went on with their lives and had kids. Now Melissa son is without a mother and will be for a very long time. Ross's daughter, she is old enough to understand her daddy is in prison and now she will know he's a murderer after the trial is over. Leland stayed out of trouble and under the radar. That still didn't keep him from having kids too. The kids will suffer in life over this and I feel sorry for them. It's a stain on their reputations before their lives even got a good start.

    In all honesty, if there has to be kids involved, I'm glad their parents are locked up so they can't teach them the same kind of hate that caused all this to begin with.

    Thank you for the complement on the site. I just want to make sure anyone interested, which is a lot of people, would have one place to go to get the latest updates. I wish more updates would come, but this case, for some reason, is being kept really quiet in the media. The way Butler was in the press would think they would have been all over this. I'll have to see if there is a media gag order. If not, then this site will publish anything that I get my hands on.

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    1. peace June 14, 2012 1:51 PM

      Franziskaner i can answer your question with some intelligence and not the same hatemongering finger pointing that the writer answers with, so here goes. Why would Melissa need to worry about being prosecuted and taken away from her child when SHE DID NOT DO ANYTHING that is why these people continued their lives and had families because they know they are innocent why else would they do it? You can believe what you want i am glad that in the world we live in people can form their own opinions but it should be done in a way that it would not hurt the reputation of peoples families,kind of like this blog does this writer posts things about feeling sorry for the children involved well if that was actually true then this person would not have these things on the internet for people to see but it is ok just shows the class of this individual, btw writer lol your website will not be up forever that is a promise.

      I DIDN'T WANT THIS ONE DELETED SO I PUT IT BACK! I WANT EVERYONE TO SEE THAT YOU PROMISED ME THAT MY BLOG WOULDN'T BE UP HERE FOREVER JUST LIKE ANONYMOUS DID. YOU JUST SHOWED IN THIS POST, WITHOUT ME HAVING TO POST ANYTHING, THAT YOU ARE ONE AND THE SAME. THANKS PEACE, OR ANONYMOUS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BE CALLED. IF YOU ACT LIKE THE ONE PERSON YOU ARE, I WOULDN'T REPOST THE POST YOU DELETE. THIS ONE JUST HAPPENED TO BE PRICELESS! :)

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  28. wow a lot of answers, i like not to take any sides before the court has ruled and both sides show what they got, first to the writer, very interesting thinking, i can tell you did a lot of thinking and resurching, and it makes sence because you go by facts, and iam the same way and the court will be that way they go by facts, so now to the peace person, sorry you two get into each other but that what makes it interesting, but you people life in a free country and he only wrote what the court gave him as info, so if you say they all made children because they never thaugt anything will happen to them, was melissa hack not on probation at the time she had a child, and she did not bahave the way she should, so explaine that to me, than why did ross hack leafe the country? why did they still had the gun? what did they do out there? there are so many things against them, why do they not bring evidence to show there not guilty, i do not want to evend anybody here but for right now i rather go with the facts, oh and back to the writer, i was wondering to where the other girl is and why the press shows so little, but anyway sad if there is so much hate in the world

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    1. To answer your question about Melissa being on probation when she was arrested for these crimes. Yes she was and she actually got pregnant and gave birth while possibly facing prison time for lying to the FBI. Regardless if they dropped the case after the murder charges she was still under that charge when she had her son.

      Ross left the country not long after John Butler was arrested. He left to avoid being investigated in the murders that he is now facing.

      If there wasn't enough evidence to bring charges against these three after 14 years they wouldn't be in the jail right now without bail. They would be at home and still doing as they wanted to do.

      I'm sure if not before the trial when the entire discovery is given to both sides the other girl is going to surface again. I do feel she is going to be a prosecution witness though. When that trial starts or when they decide to take a deal a lot of answers will be given that we don't have 100% conformation on right now. We speculate until we know for sure. What I post can be backed up by court records, media releases and so on, but Peace or Anonymous would rather make us think we have it all wrong. Only Melissa tells the truth and everyone else, including the courts, are all liars.

      I have access to the entire case of John Butler that is public information and I can tell you just from having access to those papers, transcripts, testimony, and statements of people that were not used as witnesses at trial, there is a lot there. I'm so surprised they were not arrested back then. Then again we are talking about lazy people in the investigation and they had one so they didn't really care, in my opinion, that they didn't get them all. They even said they knew there were more involved.

      I don’t know the depth of the evidence against Melissa, Ross and Leland right now, but what I can say without doubt is there had to be enough to secure and indictment and also have them held without bail until the trial. I can also say without a doubt that Melissa Hack is not home with her son that needs a mother more than ever in his first year of life. I can also say that Ross Hack didn’t get a chance to get out and go to a halfway house and possibly leave the country again before being arrested for these crimes. I can also say that Leland Jones is now not a squeaky clean person without a criminal record. I can say without a doubt that John Butler is in prison and serving a life sentence without parole. Those things I am absolutely sure of, but I do know that the United States have the right people and it was known 14 years ago that the Hacks were involved. I don’t think Leland was on the radar but the Hack’s were.

      Now Peace, in his statement below, would want you to think that John Butler planned and executed this crime with other people. Where are those other people? If the Hack’s were not involved why then are they in jail? As I said before, the FBI didn’t get up one day and say you know, I’m going to arrest Melissa and Ross Hack for murder today and while we’re at it we are going to arrest Leland Jones for the hell of it. It doesn’t happen that way. Regardless if it’s circumstantial evidence or factual evidence there was enough to obtain and indictment and also bring the strong charges against them that they did. Someone talked that was out there, and I have to say it was more than one person that talked. I can’t see them taking the word of John Butler alone after 14 years. You don’t have to do research it doesn’t take much to understand the justice system here in America.

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      As for Melissa’s alibi, according to John Butler’s alibi she was with him at his mother’s house, and then went to his brother’s house and then to Melissa house the night of the murders. Even her own father testified at the trial the he saw Melissa and John together that night at his house. John’s family got on the stand and said the same. So unless Melissa’s father was lying for John Butler, Melissa was with him. If he was lying, then he committed perjury on the stand, which is against the law.

      Melissa mother, the day after the murders, put Melissa out at the crime scene where John Butler was caught and identified. According to those two men couldn’t identify Melissa with 100% certainty but John was in Melissa’s mother car, with their dog, Joey Justin, and a girl. Who would/could that girl be? Joey Justin said it was Melissa, Melissa own mother said it was her, John said it was Melissa, but all of a sudden it’s not? I say if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it has to be a duck!

      So if her alibi isn’t what was said in court, her father lied and now I wonder what lies she is spewing now. As far as I am concerned, she wouldn’t know the truth if it slapped her in the face.

      Like the words of Peace, “Now you have it….”, mine is based off court records and facts from the case of John Butler, not from the rambling of someone that can’t get his head out of Melissa’s ass. I don’t get information about this case from newspapers. He likes to say that a lot. I mean I did post their articles on the blog but that’s so everything is one place. That in NO WAY means I use them for my information.

      I understand loving someone but to just try and make people think they are stupid is not the way to go to get your point across. He says Melissa wasn’t out there for a FACT! Show us that fact. I mean she was with John, right? Stop saying it and put your fact out here to show us we’re wrong. Show me her father was wrong, show me her mother was wrong. SHOW ME!

      I can show you, from court transcripts, her father said she was with John, her mother (her mother didn’t testify during the trial but she did speak with the police about the whereabouts of Melissa the morning after the murders) said she was John, and Joey, so if she has a new alibi I would love to hear it.

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  30. ok, peace, if iam not wrong you are melissas new boyfriend, i dont know for shure but lets just think you are, how long do you know her? 2. was she not in prison for amphitamins, so isnt she a tweeker too, if you really want to help her, and thats what i would do if my girlfriend would be in trouble,i would bring proof and show the whole world, iam sorry you must go through a lot but loock a the courtpapers, they are pretty clear, so if you have proof of her innocence, why dont you show and help here?

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  31. the law in norway is very soft, i ectualy got to this site, after i was reading about the killings in norway that was also a hatecrime, we do not have deathpennalty, to bad because for sertain individuals its the right thing, i live now for a while in austria, and they are known for there friendly prisons. but know to the writer, i have to say i normaly do not go to sites and put my opinion on it i not even use facebook or stuff like it, but your sit interests me because its not out of the papers, and more like fakts and courtwritings, i got a question, we over here in europe, if we see movies or read the papers they always say in the states your innocent until profen guilty is that true, because here its the opposite , we hafe to proof our innocence or you guilty, anyway really exiting site, even if the whole reason, this site is up, its sad story behind, thanks to both of you for answer me, and you both should try it with just put all the facts on the table and the better one wins

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  32. i do have another question, john butler got life without parole, does that means he really cant get out ever? and whats the minimum the others can get?

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  33. According the laws in the state of Nevada life without parole means life without ever getting out of prison.

    With our court systems there are appeals. He could, by a slim chance, one day get a new trial but I believe the evidence is strong enough that even if he did he would still be found guilty and get life in prison.

    John Butler actually has 4 life sentences without parole, which means he should never see the light of day outside of prison walls again.

    He has two life sentences for two murders and two life sentences for the use of a deadly weapon. Each one carries no parole.

    I don't know the minimum they could get. If they are found guilty, if they go to trial, they could be facing the max, which is life without parole or even death if it's sought for Melissa and Ross Hack. Leland Jones can't get death, as he was only 17 years old when the murders happened. He would be facing life without parole. That's what Ross and Melissa would be facing if the death penalty isn't sought and the jury decides to give them life without. If they go to trial, found guilty, there is a chance they will never get out of prison again.

    There are mandatory sentences for certain crimes. Like murder, if you take it trial without taking a deal for lesser time, you could get the max, which is life without parole for first-degree murder. It's up the judge and the sentencing guidelines.

    In my opinion, it would be better for them to take a plea deal. That means they admit they did it and take a sentence of a lot less time. I hope, if they do take a deal, they don't get out for at least 30 years or more.

    They could, if it's allowed, take an Alford Plea. That means they are not admitting guilt but understanding that there is enough evidence that if taken to trial would result in a conviction. In that case, sometimes, they could be given lesser sentences. The amount of years, I couldn't say because it depends on the deal, the judge and the sentencing guidelines.

    The worst-case scenario that could happen: they are found not guilty at trial and then let walk free. That would be a travesty to justice in this case, that's for sure.

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  34. To answer your question about being innocent until proven guilty. Yes, that's what they say.

    I believe for most people, it's a lot like you said, you're guilty until you prove you're not. Most people are convicted by people before they go to trial and before even knowing anything about the case.

    As for me, I believe with all my heart and soul these people are guilty. I have followed this case for 14 years and I have waited a long time to see the day they were arrested. I am waiting for the day they are found guilty. I truly believe they each played a huge roll in the murders.

    What I'm doing is convicting them before they are found guilty. That's my choice to do that and most people do that with anyone arrested for big crimes like this one and even for smaller offenses too.

    I will not change my stance on this case, ever. If they are found guilty then justice finally prevailed. If they are not, they are still guilty in my heart and soul and just got away with two counts of first degree murder.

    I also laugh at the saying because if the police, detectives, investigators, prosecution, and such didn't believe they were guilty they wouldn't be standing trial. That's not just for this case, but any case.

    I think it should be said, "You're guilty until you prove you're not" and not the other way around because that's how most people see it anyway. Again, that's only my opinion.

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  35. thanks alot, very nice info, i can tell you did a lot of searching, and in 14 years you got alots of time, you sayed before once you thaught te investigators been a little slow, but maby they did that i purpus to make the others feel save so they make mistakes, and they did made a lots of them. wow i cant emagine to be in an american high security prison for life. this is really very interesting, all these deals they can make, i need to get this all trough my head its allmost midnight here,will go back later thanks again

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  36. dear writer, like i sayed before, very nice work, i dont even want to know, what made you start with such a pasion to reserch to that persision, but iam shure you got a good reason and hope your work will pay off. i showed that story to a few people and after a lot of thinking, there is no way out for them, so you should get wat you wish for, my grandmother useto say, gods mills, mill very slow, but very presisely, and i do feel kind of sorry for peace too, because he might being used to and is a poor viktim that does not want to see, he lost. well its really nice reading your info just keep it up, and if this is all ofer and you might ever trafel to austria i can spend you a drink. what would be your faforite outcome? would you like them to comit to the crime, so its out in the open and they cant say there being confictet innocent, or what would you like?

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  37. just a funny thaught, melissa and ross got two ss in it just like waffen ss

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  38. You're more than welcome for the information that I gave to you. I'm sure some people would say it's not true as everything else isn't true but all of this can be found online if you look for sentencing guidelines in Nevada. It may not be very in-depth but there is some information out there about it.

    I feel like they are going to be found guilty if they take it trial. I literary have no doubt actually.

    As for what I would like to see, I would like to see them spend the rest of their lives in prison and away from normal society. If they take it trial or even take a deal, spending the rest of their lives in prison is the least I would ever like to see in this case. This way they are limited at the amount of hate for people they see as unfit and unworthy of life.

    Lin Newborn had a son when he was murdered for no good reason. Daniel Shersty never got the chance to have kids at all. Their families miss them and never even got the chance to say good-bye. Why should these three and the rest be allowed to have lives with their kids and family? They shouldn't and they should have thought about this day and the days after before they CHOSE to take the life of two men.

    If they didn't want to make a name for their selves, make a point, or even have so much hate for people with views other than theirs we wouldn't be here today at all. Melissa could have stopped this at anytime by not having them follow her and the other girl out there. They knew what was going to happen and they still did their parts. They chose to lure these men out to the desert one night and they chose to pull those triggers, now they have to pay their debt to society. Melissa and the other girl may not have shot a gun, but being there when it happened makes them just as guilty.

    In my opinion, they owe a lot to society and to pay that debt they need to spend the rest of their lives in prison or as close to it as possible.

    No, I don't think they didn't investigate on purpose. The case was never closed. People grew up, and moved on with their lives and I feel the people who knew anything decided time had come. I don't believe that the FBI threatened people to change their stories. How would that work in Grand Jury? I mean they do ask, if you were in anyway forced to give testimony in this case. If they were, they should have spoke up right then. If they were asked to change their stories, it was in front of the Grand Jury, with the witness agreeing to finally tell the truth after 14 years. I believe they did it by choice, and not by intimidation.

    Harboring a secret like this for this long takes a toll on people. I also think with the names not listed in the indictment that they spoke to the FBI and also the Grand Jury. I won't be sure of that until the trial, but I believe it anyway. I just think it took 14 years for people to feel safe enough, not running in the same crowds, and so on, and they decided the time had come to finally tell the truth and the story of what happened to these men.

    As much I can't wait to see them in prison and not just locked up awaiting trail, I laugh at Peace and him believing John Butler and a few others did this and set out to frame the Hacks and Leland Jones. Out of ALL the people in the world, he chose them to frame. It's laughable and brings me to tears laughing every time he says it.

    Everyone, from John Butler, to the FBI, the state of Nevada, Metro Police, US Prosecutors, and anyone else involved investigating this case, all helped in bringing these people to justice all went along with a plan that was put into motion 14 years ago by a criminal. UNREAL that he would even try to make someone believe that crap.

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  39. Continued from above...

    As for Peace, I believe he is deeply in love with Melissa. I don’t even know if he knows Leland Jones at all. He may but I can’t be for sure. He started out on the web begging people to believe Melissa had nothing to do with this crime. I wish I could tell him she didn’t but I can’t. She knows what she did and she can deny it from here to hell but the fact remains she’s as guilty as sin. I don’t know if I call it being used as much as I call it being in love with the woman. I’m sure she has good qualities about her, but as for me, I don’t ever care to get to know them because this one bad quality, that helped take two lives, was enough for me to know that I didn’t need to know these people anymore than I already did.

    One day, and it may be years down the road, but after she is convicted and in prison, he may open his eyes and heart and understand that she isn’t as good as he wants her to be. He isn’t a lost cause, but sadly, he fell in love with one of the devil spawns. I feel sorry for him, I really do. He can love her, but look at the big picture with ALL the evidence and not just a little of it. He only talks about John Butler, Joey Justin, and the bartender. There is SO MUCH more than those three involved in this case and John Butler’s trial. SO MUCH MORE!


    If I'm ever in Austria I'll take you up on that drink. Thanks!

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  40. a question, did ross hack his sister and the others knew lin newborn and dan shersty, and how could it get this much out of hands, than i have to bait someone to a quiet location, iam sorry dont know much about the site it happens, i just asume its somewhere quiet, and than kill them, that what makes me think, and some people i talk to, i meen you first have to plan something like that, and how can some young girls be cold enaugh to lure them to a place where others are whaiting, that does not get into my head, thats like in a bad bad movie, and than go there again and try to destroy evidence, so how could they hate them so much, does anyone knows or guesses the reson, it really makes one sick to think about it, iam sorry you have to carry this that long around in your heart, but iam shure they will get there share. lins children should be in a age they understand what is going on and in court i would not want to look in there eyes. and after all this is over even mr. peace will see the truth.

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